I find it interesting that so much hypothesizing and projectiing is going on on this thread. So much dialog around things one can't imagine. What, it we can't imagine it, it can't exist? Where's John Lennon when we need him?

The dark side lives within us, each and every one. Comes with being human. Denying that doesn't make it go away. Instead of looking at Andreea and thinking, "I could never do that, (especially THAT way) so SHE couldn't either.", try exploring: "What would it take to put me there?" Try getting inside her head instead of trying to pull her into yours.(She won't fit.) I dare yas. Dig deep and try to imagine being that shorted out. Yer brain like worms in a frying pan. People expecting you to just "act normal for Christ's sake"........ knocked up again and again and again....... no safe space, no peace, no quiet, no break. For years and years and years.

Re: if she had done it to kids other than her own?? Even more nuts, not less. Nothing in this case suggests she would have hurt anybody if she had been cared for by those who knew she was ill. Denial in others set her up. The system set her up.

When I was growing up mentally ill, my mother thought about getting me help, but, in her words, "You always seemed to pull yourself back together again, so I let it go." People have the impression that mentally ill people are ALWAYS at their worst. That it it an endlessly active affliction, as though people with heart disease are always in an attack..... no, but they are always in fear of an attack....... everybody supports them in their hearthealthy regime between attacks.

I've found that, with mental illness, unless we are in full bloom, people like to pretend we're normal -- don't they??? C'mon, how many people in your life don't beleive you are as ill as you know you are???? I've had sooo many people tell me there's nothing wrong with me cause they can't see in here, can't imagine. Cracks me up. If they only knew!!! I'm a mess, I only go out when I can pass. Ya know.......?

OK gang, how's that for some food for thought? Hmmmmm?