Trippin, have you ever heard of or looked into Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder? My bf has this, he was sent to a sleep clinic, but they didn't offer much help, but most people with this disorder get naturally tired after 2am, with him it is usually around 4 am. They told him the best thing to do would be is to have a job that started after noon so he could follow his natural rhythm.

People with this disorder just do have a different circadian rhythm, which you probably already know affects the time of sleep, peak period of alertness, core body temperature, hormonal and other body rhythms. Some of them can train themselves to get on a more common rhythm, but it usually doesn't last. With my bf it doesn't work at all.

But the thing I think I remember you saying that sleeping pills don't help? People with this disorder often have no luck with sleeping pills, same with my bf.. he takes them and is still up till 3 or 4 am, even tho he has to be up at 7 am for work.

Just thought I would put that out there for you, sounds very possible.

My bf follows his natural sleep phase on his days off, which ya sometimes makes our life a little hard, but he does so much better if he is able to follow his own normal sleep pattern. Otherwise, when he has to be up early he just describes it as feeling like death. Even if he falls asleep earlier, and has to wake in the morning, still feels like death. He also gets really hungry around 1-2 am. And has to get out of bed and go eat.