Thanks DHX, you're right, I'm just having an 'off' day. Weepiness has subsided a bit now atleast, thanks for talking me thru this, your perspective has helped alot. I'm so used to having a tribe yes, been surrounded by peoples and peoples and peoples since birth. So this is kinda weird, and guess I havent really adapted fully yet. And yes, you are definitly part of my tribe, I certainly cant be the only weird one in it