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Old Nov 10, 2012, 12:28 PM
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(((Rose))),

I understand your POV, and I "do" see there are "issues" on "both" sides here. But I also see that while it is "nice" to "want" to have some of the "services" that Obama wants to provide, we cannot do what we cannot "afford" to do as a country. We cannot keep "borrowing" and making "money" anymore, we have to find a way to "earn money again as a country" by finding "real" ways for businesses to grow and get people back to work again.

Now, I do see Bainer making "efforts" to try to "reach across" to work things out, and he is "pulling away" from the "so called Tea Party strong hold" as well. Hey, I am not an economist, but I do understand "debt" unfortunately, and while there are things I really "want" and even "need", I cannot "borrow" anymore, as I "will" lose whatever I have left, which is now a real challenge to keep. And this year there was 'no" money to fund "vacinations" for my animals and no "credit" to go to either. "And I am very angry because none of this is "my fault" either and I have my own "gridlock" going on.

Ok, look at it this way, for "anyone" to have a "big estate, expensive cars, and vacations and all the "things" like a "big government", there has to be "funds" to maintain that. And we have "learned in a very big way" how just wanting and borrowing to have that "doesn't work and cannot sustain". There are thousands of "big luxury homes" vacant now, "proof that borrowing and overspending doesn't work".
And this whole movement towards getting Americans to be "homeowners" began in the Clinton administration. It continued in the Bush administration until "the cliff" was felt in this whole movement and became a "big mess" where we have come to see how "overspending" leads to ruin.

It is "clear" that Obama "wants big government" and it is also clear that what is already "there" is now "not sustainable". What is also "clear" is that we cannot just "tax" and crush new businesses from starting up, growing and producing either. And, it is also "clear" that Obama is not a business minded man, he just isn't. However, he "does" want what he wants. And so far, his "plan" is "not" working.

Yes, Obama got up and talked about being "open to solutions" however that is "open" as long as he sees "what he wants happen as well".

Yes, Obama "won" the election, but he also had a team of experts do lots of ground work and did whatever "bending" needed to get the votes. But that doesn't mean he will be "able" to do what is "needed" to get this country back on track. Plenty of people vote without really "knowing" all the particulars. My inlaws vote "democrat" no matter "who" is running and there are plenty of people like them.

I find myself "still" wanting something in the middle somehow, I am "weary" of the "two" party system that is now "butting" heads. I "blame" both parties for the jam right now, I see "problems" on "both" sides of this table. Even if Romney won this election, I think there would still be somewhat of a jam going on and even if he got elected I would "still" have reservations, he was never a slam dunk for me either. I do not "trust" the government we have right now, and there is "not enough transparancy" for me either. And I don't care for Harry Reed either, I think he has "too much power" and is "part of the resentful gridlock".

And I am still very "puzzled" about Bengazi and that situation is getting "stranger and stranger". Wow, that whole situation is weird and unsettling tbh.

I have to admitt Rose, that my PTSD does get triggered and has been all through this political environment. And I have "questions" and "concerns" and when others say, "Oh it is no big deal" well, I have been through plenty of "bad" things that people "claimed were "no big deal" that were "a big deal" and resulted in "something very bad". People "never" cease to amaze me in how they "manipulate, conive, decieve, lie, cheat, misrepresent, hide, are greedy, selfish, believe their own lies, and really don't "care" who they hurt while trying to "get what they want", all with a "kind and likeable smile on their face". I said to my therapist, wow, people can be so "bad and messed up" and his reply was, yes, it is a crazy world out there.

When my "spleen" was injured during a colonoscopy, I became a "problem" everyone didn't want to deal with. I sat across from the doctor who performed my colonscopy's partner who stared me right in the face, matter of fact and "insisted that I must have been in a car accident" and he had "no problem" "lieing" to me right to my face. There was no "accountability" at all. I had to "demand" my GP to even see me, who "finally" admitted that the reason everyone "deserted me" was because they were afraid of being "liable".
The truth is that doctors are so afraid of "losing insurance to practice now" that it interupts their ability to be "honest" with their patients. And my own GP is completely "disgusted" with it and doesn't "like" practicing medicine now.

I don't like the way the world is now Rose, there is way too much "secrecy" and "deception" now overall.
I am about 10 years older than you are and I clearly remember the days where people could be "honest" and there really was such a thing as "respect" and "honor".

Open Eyes

Last edited by Open Eyes; Nov 10, 2012 at 03:20 PM.