I'm entitled to have connotations, FG. No apologies there, and I don't need help retraining my thinking about this. and btw, I didn't use any words remotely like worthless or pitiful, that was you! Empathetic is a non word which has been granted an OK status here and there *only here and there) because so many people use it. reminds me of the schools that tell their students they can spl thngz enny ole wei the wont ef datz whut dey wonna doo. whoooz tew tll thum no?