hamster, you obviously did not understand my point!!! go on the sex addictions forum and dispute it there; and blueinana, i see what you mean--but the point i was trying to make to hamster-bamster was that my original point was not whether or not sex addiction exists or not--and not whether morality plays into the DSMor not! and why is my example such a big deal to you? If you had really read my post, you would have known that I was trying to say that someone is either an addict or not, not just when its conveniant. Now please stop and go on the sex addictions forum if you wish to contine arguing about this!