Open Eyes - You hit the nail on the head. these people's behavior has worn me down to a point I have a real struggle turning a blind eye, I value truth and honesty. There is a couple that are complete narcissists, they constantly boast of (you name it), most of it are lies and opinions carefully worded to lead you to a certain conclusion, there is always a grain of truth so they can say, I never said that. (example the man is saying he will be busy with a work related course of study that will result in “the equivalent of a master’s degree”) He’s not actually saying he’s enrolled in a graduate program or that he is getting a master’s degree. The real story is he is getting some on-the-job training. His wife is the same way, she “wrote a thesis”, reality, she wrote an 8 page research paper, most of the information she got off the internet and reworded. They have an agenda, so this is all done for a very specific purpose. There are also some dishonesty issues with items they have walked off with. Neither one of them have an education or achievements to speak of. They have alienated themselves with our local group and are moving onto other groups. Fortunately many of the groups interact with each other, so they will be discovered soon enough. Since they come from our group, I will be asked about them, this puts me in a very uncomfortable position, I won’t lie and pass the problem along, I do have to back up my opinion with facts and examples. I am kind of embarrassed they are from my group, especially when they become problems.