This is a fun conversation that is totally taking my mind off of marriage counseling.

I do see your point, stopdog. If it is a gray area, I tend to stay out of it. Perhaps it is just because I grew up with a boundary stomping, enmeshing person who insisted on being in power and raging at those who even appeared to be encroaching on that power, that I cannot seem to tolerate those who do those things and consider those things to just be unquestionably wrong under all circumstances. I seriously cannot imagine a scenario in which that behavior would be acceptable.