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Old Feb 22, 2013, 02:50 AM
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I know, two posts in one night but I rarely get on here (don't really want my fiance to know and he's around a lot, not that it matters but this is personal). So I guess here's my question: I've been sexually assaulted numerous times in my life, But there were a few times I just need some clarity about. I guess the first incident I'm confused about was when I was with some guy I just met (and did not like) and I felt pressured by him as well as by myself to give him a blowjob. I came from a really strict upbringing and part of my teenage rebellion was trying to pretend like I was a slut (I really wasn't, in fact I was terrified of sex for whatever reason and didn't really like it). So anyway... I felt pressured but I never said no, I was sober, and I even pretended to enjoy it but I actually hated it. I felt dissociative throughout and I feel like he may have known I wasn't really into it. Thing is I'm wondering if that counts as assault/rape or not- as I did not say no and (although I know he was pushing me) I don't know if he really knew if I wanted it or not. All I know is this incident really affected me.
First, you don't have to take my word on anything I say. You are allowed to call it whatever you want, because it is your life, your body, and your experiences. But you've asked for help, and this is mine I'm offering. This first incident you described is not rape or assault. Sometimes people feel pressured, but if you did not somehow let the other person know you didn't enjoy/want it, then there is no basis for proving it was rape/assault of any kind. A lot of people, especially young women and teenagers have horrible experiences with their first few times having sex, because of the pressure. But as we get older, we get more experienced and can learn from our mistakes. It can still be painful and devastating to have such a traumatic sexual experience, so don't get me wrong- it can still be hurtful for you to think of these things. I'm just saying I personally do not call that rape or assault.

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I've had other things happen to me in a similar vein. I was out clubbing and agreed to dance with a guy (just dance) for $30. I was pretty innocent at the time and thought we were going to just dance and instead he ended up rubbing his **** on my *** till he came. I never agreed to this but once again, I'm not sure if that really counts since he may have thought that's what I agreed to.
This is a gray area story. It is up to you whether or not you want to call this assault. You never said yes, but you don't mention saying no either. It's not something you planned on happening, but as time goes on, you will learn what you want your boundaries to be, and how to voice them.

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A similar incident happened clubbing where a guy fingered me on the dancefloor without my consent but I didn't say no or fight back.
This is along the lines of the last story. You don't mention anything about letting him know that's where your boundaries are. I can't claim this one either. It can be traumatic still, no matter what it is called, so you are entitled to feel however you do about it. It was truly a negative experience, and hopefully you can start thinking about what can be done differently to stay out of those negative situations. I'm not saying what he did was your fault, please don't take it that way! There are ways of prevention, sometimes, and when we clearly set our boundaries and voice them, we can sometimes avoid those negative experiences.

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Another time in college I was hanging out with this guy I barely knew and he pushed me into having oral sex with him as well as fingering me. I once again never said no, I think I even pretended to enjoy it but I wasn't even in my body at the time. I was sober and so was he but I felt like he knew I wasn't into it but I can't be sure. Is that rape/assault?
I would say the same about this one as the last couple ones.

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A similar incident happened at a party when a guy came up to me and fingered me repeatedly even after I pushed him away. So I guess I'm pretty clear on that one. He was wasted though so I don't know if I should give him a pass.
This one's entirely different, and I'm glad you can see that it is clear about what he did, HOWEVER- Being drunk is NEVER an excuse for doing anything! If he can't get his ***** together when he's drunk, he should not be drinking in the first place! Please do not give this man a "pass." You clearly said no, by your body language. That's what I would call rape, because it is penetration with his body (fingers).

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Also with my current fiance we were having sex and he started doing **** and I said no and he held me down and kept going for maybe 30 secs before I told him again that he was hurting me and then he stopped. We have rough sex a lot and I enjoy it but I feel like I shouldn't have had to say no more than once. He knows me well enough to know when I'm saying "no" in a sexy way and when I'm saying "no, stop". It was only for a split second and we were both drunk so I don't know if he just didn't realize he had gone too far or if I communicated it correctly.
I consider this rape. You said no, he kept going. It doesn't matter how long he kept going afterwards, if it were 10 seconds or half an hour- if someone says no- you stop right away, or as quickly as possible. My rape was like this. I told him no, and he did me for maybe 10 - 15 seconds. That is rape. You communicated it very well, and he is the one in fault for being too drunk to do the right thing and stop. Remember- being drunk is NO excuse.

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There was also a time when he was on Ambien and I was not (we've done this before no problem but usually I'm the one on Ambien or we both are) and he tried to push me into doing more than I wanted to. I feel like that can't count because he was so ****ed up and I guess I shouldn't have been having sex with him in the first place, but he pulled me on top of him and pushed me into doing it. Kind of makes me feel like a rapist myself.
I'm kind of getting a pattern here, where drugs and drinking are involved. Maybe if he takes ambien that night, he should abide by a rule that states there should be no sex. I do know the effects of ambien, and that it can really cause inhibition and loss of thinking clearly (used to be on it, it makes me suicidal), so if this is his reaction to ambien, he needs to be off of it. Maybe you can somehow tell his doctor this, but it's serious. Ambien is a serious drug that needs to be taken seriously. But the fact that he pushed you into doing it, however you did not mention saying no, you DID say no with body language. If you wanted it, he would not have had to push you into doing it. You are NOT a rapist because of this.

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He also recently told me (I didn't remember this until he brought it up) that he was worried that the first time we had sex he might have raped me. He told me I kept putting my hands on his chest and telling him I wasn't on birth control and then we had sex anyway. I vaguely remember this and I have never even thought about it before. I don't remember ever feeling violated the morning after either but now that he mentioned it I feel kind of weird. Just brings up bad memories.
It might make you feel weird, but perhaps if you don't recall this too much, it might not be worth it to try to remember more of it, unless it is really affecting you. Then you need to talk about this rape too. Yes, it's a rape.

I think you really need to talk to a therapist about these incidents, and talk through how these negative experiences really are affecting you and your decision making today. You've described some very classic rape scenes, because they are the most common. The ones where the girl says no but it feels as though she has to just kind of "put up" with it, because of the pressure. Then she never mentions it, because she feels guilty for not doing more to stop it. This happens far too often, and I believe it is why not many people get help for their rape or assault experiences. Also, as I mentioned before, and with the help of a therapist, I hope you can come up with a plan of action and set boundaries with what you will and will absolutely not allow in a sexual encounter. That way, you can be prepared for such encounters in the future and possibly save yourself from more negative experiences. (this doesnt mean it's your fault, it just means that sometimes it can be avoided if we have the right skills to assess the situation. It's a tricky line between what we can and cannot control) Hope this clears anything up for you.
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