thanks for replying again Echoes. Yeah, I guess there's not much you can do except hope you realize it if the t is judging you wrongly early enough to get out quickly. Or be careful not to trust the wrong t or something. I don't know. I'm lucky another t had supported my side of an issue, which gave me a little more confidence to believe in myself instead of believing a t who judged me. I suppose it can be pretty damaging though, if you buy into their judgements too much, like back when they taught women to mindlessly obey their husbands. I wish I had realized my t was not on my side and quit a lot sooner. I guess ultimately that if you stay with a t, you have to be prepared to live with how you let them affect you though. I don't know how you can be open minded to the possibility that their judgments could be right without risking the possibility of wasting a lot of time and getting hurt.

I hope I haven't veered CE's topic too far off on a tangent. In my mind this is relevant to what he started with, but kind of complicated and I'm not sure if the connection would make sense to anyone else or not. CE does not seem to be very serious about it when he says he's considering quitting, so maybe it is not very relevant.