No I don't think so, and I have not seen any of us who lean to the no meds side advice people to just go off them casually or without caution or serious consideration. That said there is always more we can do, it doesnt have limits except the ones we set. .

In my opinion most of the time the meds do not seem very effective and have not been proven to be either. Always see people chasing relief from symptoms in an endless constant circle and I cannot say that is effective. I take meds seriously as well but from a different standpoint and that is ok..no?

But I have never seen anyone here tell people who are in a bad place to still avoid meds and just do more. Even if the person themselves is anti med. I know people have prompted me to consider meds even after I state that is not an option. So I am not seeing what you are saying. I also don't want give advice and have to bend what I think and believe just to fit in here, and do not feel comfortable doing so if I don't think it's such a good choice.

I honestly do think the other things we can do for ourselves are more effective and reliable than medications.

I am trying to understand what you are asking Dan, but the first post sounds like a much different question than the second. But maybe they don't really need it, maybe they really need a lot of other things in their life and maybe that is why they don't want to take the meds on. I suspect they have valid reasons for that choice. Because meds are serious and they do come at a price which is quite hefty.

Whatever their reason is for not wanting to give brain and body dangerous chemicals because honestly the meds are dangerous and that has been proven then it is valid to them. Just as someone chooses medication feels their reasons are valid for themselves.