Hello Thickntired, I don't know much about AA although I attended a few meetings a long time ago. I don't drink anymore i's been over 15 years, I did it on my own for my son's sake. As to the 4th and 5th stage i don't know what it entails but i guess forgiveness. God is the one that forgives you and can't you just ask Him to forgive you? I'm writing here as I hope you don't give up on your success your having now. I'll congradulate you now on getting as far as you have. Please keep it up, it can be done and you can use me as an example. I'm sure you meet others at different stages in your recovery. I pray for you and get good vibes to go your way!!!Have a great day!!!