thank you for responding monarch butterfly. it is hard to know if we can find some common parts of faith. it is too murky to leave it the way it is. maybe some will never believe but we don't know that if we don't try right. they don't know the littles i don't think or if they did meet it was a long time ago and there is a dark curtain around the ones who dont believe. this is not a good thing in our system. it is good not to force anyone though so we want to see if we can encourage them to try to talk about stuff. faith is very threatening for them and the system knows there can be no hurting any one. we know that. we are trying to make a safe way for them. maybe the dark curtain is just the hard stuff and not about believing so much. but we want to work it through if we can. if it didn't need to happen we think it wouldn't be at the door now.