Thank you both... the advanced security system I use does tell me the link of the element... just don't want to click on anything... will keep them in my bug jar for two weeks... and if everything goes as it should... then will eliminate the little buggers.... I am a good user, but too impatient with the black screen and 0000 and 11111's... also the several other systems I run for my business go thru a web server... never receive these from there? LOL