I think we are just missing each other because we have different experiences. I do know psychiatrists that I think would be terrible therapists; I've seen them at work in hospital or county mental health. They do fit the description of thinking that the main is approach is medications and nothing else, but most of the psychiatrists that I know or know about do not fit that description. And you have to admit that there is a lot of stereotyping or generalizing about psychiatrists. That happens at the cultural level as well when so many things like cartoons and so forth present patients on a couch with the "doctor" rather clueless. It just doesn't ring true for me, but I may have been lucky or my experience not typical, like I claimed; it is just different so I thought I would add it in.

As far as generalizations about psychologists, yes, of course I'm making generalizations here, but some of it is based on the way the training model differs and the expectations of that particular degree as governed by the APA in particular. That doesn't mean that great therapists don't go on from that kind of orientation, but it does seem to be geared to a kind of approach, lots of emphasis on stats, assessments, tests, measurements, what they call "empirical," which means something else than "evidence," and other science-seeming models that I don't find in as emphasized with psychiatrists or other mental health professionals, be they MA Counseling or Social Work or whatever. The thing about wanting to be called "doctor" is really just for fun although I find it telling that so many actual MDs that I know or have interviewed prefer first names, while psychologists seem to prefer staying with their title. That's just my experience. The only thing that I would say is that the training models are in fact quite different so there are going to be differences regardless of the actual people. What these differences actually are or how they add up or change practices, that is completely up for grabs.