Sure i'm being prodded with a stick now huh?lol.I think you have the wrong vibe from me to ask that ? Look ive taken a road never travelled(through no intention of my own).Its led me to some pretty crazy not well known info MEDICALLY.If you people think you know it all you are sorely mistaken.Please feel free to enlighten me on your knowledge of the most severe expression of pelvic myoneuropathy/uccps in men and how you would go about fixing that lol?Not many DOCTORS even know what that would be no less how to fix it.The stage is all yours,Dr Phil...