It seems pretty easy for some of you to say get out. I think if it was that simple there would be many more divorces and breakups not only due to "NPD". With this its easy to become a victim and not ever be able to get out because as things are bad they tend to also have high points due to this disorder. When the manipulation begins whether for our own reasoning on knowing what our partner wants to hear thus making them feel things are ok and he/she understands me. Especially when there is a codependent involved as it only strengthens the "N"s ways to get more and more of whats needed. Im still trying to figure out if this forum is for us who have this disorder or for the others involved with us as a place to vent about their "N"s. Only reason why I am so open to discuss is because I am self aware, if I was still in my ways of not recognizing I would be laughing at the nons here or anywhere that discuss these issues. Do realize that I do not sit and read these posts and feel that I know your pain as I have been the one for so long to cause these type of things to my family. Question though for joshuas-mommy, have you been involved with an "N" as you seem to know all the answers, or is it you just listen to songs and begin to understand things more???? I actual believe you have, this is why I am assuming all this anger towards his "N". You were hurt by one of us and the "think they are so cool" or "drop a bomb" comments makes you feel good to write sort of like I got you back. Be careful though because if you were once the victim likely to happen again and some of us are even more special than most which in turn creates a much more difficult situation for their partner. Just my thoughts!!!