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Old May 09, 2013, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Luce View Post
Well, wouldn't ya know it, it seems it can happen in some parts of the world, but not others.
If you live in NY USA you might be safe, Just2 b. Unfortunately I do not live in NY USA, and it CAN happen where I am! Drat.

Case in point - after several years of therapy and working on developing coconsciousness I returned to my family of origin, and lost all contact with my insiders for several years. Internally it was silent to me, and I believed they were not there at all.
It was only several years later when I moved away from my abusers again that my insiders and I reestablished contact again. I found out they had been quite active during those years, but I was completely amnesiac about it.

So yes - I am absolutely sure that you can lose coconsciousness with alters after coconsciousness has been established. At least in some parts of the world ... what happens in NY, USA is out of my jurisdiction.
maybe I can explain a bit more clearer for you luce so you can understand my post a bit better...

here where I live and work alters being silent and co consciousness is two different things...

here co consciousness is not about making a choice to share or not, be silent or not. here co consciousness is a dissociative wall or barrier between the host and alters, between each of the alters....that happens automatically ....

Ill use a general situation so as to limit the triggering...

lets say a child named Princess is abused (left out in the sunshine too long) for this situation and child this is extreme abuse. they dissociate. the action of dissociating under this extreme abuse causes the child's mind to split into two alters....the child is now Hugger, and Leave me alone and Princess. between Hugger, Leave Me Alone and Princess is a cement wall. Each one now has their own internal place behind the cement wall. Nothing gets through that cement wall to each other. Princess enters therapy. during therapy Princess slowly hacks away at those cement walls. As Princess deals with each of the problems (being hot, scared sunburned) that make up the cement walls, the wall gets holes, cracks in them. The problems that made those cement walls are gone now so those holes, and cracks in the cement walls are permanent. thats how treatment providers here view co consciousness..

once the problems that created that wall gets taken care of the ....Ability ....for sharing/knowing is there..thats not saying it .....will ....happen just that the ......ability..... is there now ...sort of like an abandoned house in a town or city people take the boards off the windows and doors, entrance is now possible but people dont always choose to enter that house..

for me with many of my alters the ...co consciousness ability....was not there because we were not able to hack away at those cement walls between the alters and I. if we tried those alters became very violent, suicidal and physically harmed me because that was what their job, purpose, reason for being was.

with a few of my alters the ...co consciousness ability...was there because we were able to figure out what my triggers were for dissociating which led to taking care of those problems that made up the cement walls and create cracks and holes in those walls.

the actual hearing them/sharing with them and they me/knowing then and they me was a conscious choice the alters and I had to make. I had to choose to be open minded and hear what the alters chose to share with me and the alters had to consciously choose to share what they were and what they knew with me.

our choosing not to (being silent) had nothing to do with co consciousness. the co consciousness was there because the problems that made filled those holes and cracks were gone.

one treatment provider explained co consciousness like a telephone.. two cups and a cord spanning the space between two people.....its there for anytime each person chooses to pick up their end to use it.

co consciousness (cracks and holes in the wall) is there and will always be there whether the alters and host choose to use it or not.

my alters many times went silent but it wasnt because the co consciousnes was lost. it was because either I closed my mind from them or they chose to be silent.

I know some locations teach co consciousness is the ....action.... of an alter and a host sharing. instead of having the ....ability......which are two different things then yea your way is going to be different then my way...

but hey thats what makes Psych central interesting isnt it... no one has to do things the same way and since we have many different members with m any different treatment providers explaining psychological/medical terms differently so of course we will be posting different answers..

some will say yes and some will say no it doesnt happen based on the posters own treatment providers and how things work in their own location and their own internal system of alters.....

which is why I almost always include in my posts to contact your own treatment providers they will be able to explain things based on your own internal system of alters and what problems you and your own internal system encounters, and what is believed in your own locations.
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avlady