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Originally Posted by Harley47
Well, true...not going to attempt to argue the "oldest profession in the world" maxim. lol Once you've seen the "menu" for the sex shop in Pompeii etched into the wall, it kinda kills any argument in that regard. 
I suppose the "herself" vs "her services" is best differentiated between how one views sex itself. I'm not as easily able to compartmentalize, ergo I have difficulty separating sex as the loving expression I tend to think of it as (or prefer, I suppose is more apt) and sex as a "no strings attached" activity. Granted, I do see and fully comprehend how it can be/is done...it's not like that truly baffles me or anything. But given that I do view sex in generally the former light, the notion of selling it to anyone who can produce a twenty dollar bill (not that I really know pricing, so bear with me there) is in seedy deals is a significant perversion to my ideal. lol As I said, my post is purely based off my own objective morality. 
I should note that I'm not trying to say general sex without love is some "perversion" or anything like that, and I'm certainly not judging on the basis of one having a casual fling. That's, again in my own eyes, entirely different. It just seems...callous, the way the "business" is conducted.
As far as the people who aren't able to get sex the "normal" way (lol in which, based on your introductory clause, you're giving me way too much credit as far as implied capability with the opposite sex, but thank you ), I suppose that is a point, but as I view it, why should another person (the girl) have to something she, in what I imagine is all likelihood, do something she probably has no interest in doing (as an "at best" scenario) with this guy simply because he has some spare change? Granted, that applies to a lot of professions...I really couldn't give two (your word here) if the irate customer at my drive through gets his ice cream with his meal, to give an example. But again, going back to my own view, it's...different, giving the nature of the "good" in question. |
With my luck
I once went on a date with a guy from a dating site who was... you guessed it, a p-doc in SF. He caught my attention being a p-doc.
He was a fat and unpleasant 40++ year old man.
He was complaining that he was getting tired of online dating since he would treat women to meals and then not get sex and was seriously considering hiring prostitutes. He said that he was desperate for at least some sex, e.g. just being naked together in one room, with nothing else. Could not get that, either.
I only had one date with him, not because I discriminated based on appearance but because ... because ... because.... speechless but this is the story in a nutshell:
- he told me that he had major depression and was getting fat from drugs and I sympathized; he said he needed drugs to combat suicidality
- I was very open with him as well, including about the suicide attempt.
After the date, I, being a polite appreciative person, called him next day to say "thank you". The date itself was not that bad, the bad part was what followed.
He was on the phone with his
mother (I will omit his ethnic origin but let those who are into guessing guess...) when I called and he did not switch the line to me - he continued talking to his mother and later called me. I was nonplussed - I thought that 40++ year old psychiatrists knew how to gently apologize to their moms and promise to call them a bit later because they need to talk to a woman they are interested in.
I do not remember what exactly followed but at some point I expressed my surprise. He told me: "You know, for someone with your history, you probably shouldn't talk about other people's psychological problems."
He also wrote that he was ambivalently considering dating me... almost as if making a concession.
So, that was it with him.
Do you think he will have better luck with other women? I doubt that.
But he does have real, valid sexual needs. It is just that neither I nor most women I can think of would be interested in fulfilling them.
Or this guy who prompted my rant (the "raincoat" relict LOL!). Somehow when he was young he managed to marry a woman and had a daughter with her. He later complained that his wife never wanted to have sex with him. At the same time when she told him that she wanted a divorce, he was unprepared - there were no warning signs. He won the custody of their daughter, raised the daughter who is a lawyer herself now, in SF, and lives with a bf. And he lives alone and complains that women are not interested in him because he is not virile enough for them. That is wrong - his virility is within normal limits and the reasons women do not want to deal with him are: 1) he talks too much - he needs to say 10-20 times fewer words per conversation to be like a normal person in his verbal output, but he does not know it; 2) he is arrogant; 3) he laughs at his own jokes repeatedly; 4) etc.
He divorced when his daughter was little and she is now 27, so I think it is fairly safe to say that he won't remarry (per him, he thought that I was the right woman for him to be with for the rest of his days, but I turned out to be "asocial, narcissistic, cruel, not fearing God, a conman, a liar, a debased manipulator without a soul", etc. - his LSAT was in the 99th percentile and, to give credit where credit is due, he does know a lot of words, so he uses the words he knows...).
So he is just not the most endearing person.
But he does have real, valid sexual needs.
So where should he go with them?
To give you an analogy with food.
Suppose that we all decide that we only want to eat organic, locally grown, fair trade produced, seasonal foods for they are virtuous, tasty, good for the environment, etc. and we will treat growers well by paying fair trade prices.
So we will go to farmers' markets to buy those splendid foods. And on the farmers' markets we will also buy artisan chocolate cakes and handmade lavender soaps and (a divine though very expensive treat) seasonal sheep's milk cheese (some of the true offerings of the farmers' market next to me).
And those who can afford those goodies will live happily ever after.
And those who cannot afford the good stuff will simply die out (as we will outlaw conventional grocery stores selling mass-produced waxed tasteless genetically modified produce and cheap American processed cheese) and that is OK because it is their fault that they cannot afford farmers' market prices.