> You make a distinction between self-change and meditation but it seems to me that meditation also involves changing your view from being upset to being tolerant.

Though couldn't one just accept feeling upset?

It might change the *quality* of the upset... Or it might change your attitude towards it... Or it might change the quality in virtue of changing the attitude...

Not sure.

(I was meant to read about acceptance rather than determinism I think... Sorry bout that)

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