"For the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, for they are Spiritually discerned."

You are asking someone to understand a concept they cannot! I KNOW God and yet cannot prove Him to you or anyone directly.

HE will prove Himself to a person when they "believe that He IS and HE is a rewarder of them who diligently seek Him."

They must ask God to reveal Himself to them, and He will (if they ask in earnest.)

I guess to the cynic yes, anything that has been preached, regardless if it is true, is fodder for brainwashing.

I'm not going to continue to post on this thread, as I sense that it's ultimate intent is not for support for you, Rhapsody, but some other argument?

I am confused to say the least...as you came to PC very strong in faith, and yet between 2 threads you've begun... they both appear to be egging ppl on in debate. I can be wrong, and hope I am, but I can't continue in this vein for now. TC!