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Old Nov 21, 2006, 08:42 AM
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> He just doesn't deal in "silliness" like making the sum of 2+2 become 5. He figured out the sum of those numbers long before He brought us into being...

It isn't supposed to be about what God does and does not choose to do (ie whether he chooses to deal in "silliness" or not) it is about coming to a clearer conception of God's nature so we are better able to contemplate him...

When you say he 'figured out the sum of those numbers' it makes it sound as though there are facts about the sum of those numbers that God (in his state of knowing everything) figured out rather than a fact that God chose to make so.

Thats okay...

But that is precisely what is at issue... Whether God made the laws of logic (or mathematics) so, or whether they are the way they are and while God can come to know those facts he is only free to work within their bounds...

But put that way it seems to be an irritation to people. We are limiting God's nature??? Is obeying the laws of mathematics and logic best conceptualised as a constraint?

I don't think so...

But others can disagree, of course...

The trouble is that you might well end up with a conception of God that is incoherant... That doesn't worry some people but it worries me... One reason it worries me is that surely God (if he exists) gave us this tool of reason for a reason...

I'm trying to use it to better contemplate his nature.

The question at issue is whether there are limits (or bounds) on God's power...