today after speaking to some solicitors and son having advocacy to help him a small glimmer of hope has formed, daughter says she will fight if the solicitor says there is a case at least that will put there minds at rest if they didn't ask they would always wonder what iffs , i have to take the report straight to the solicitor when it gets here so they can go through it to see if they have a case to fight for guardianship of our little man if no case its then up to the judge to determine if the mother gets another chance or he is placed up for adoption if its adoption he will receive a box full of stuff from his family when he turns 16, and we could ask for letterbox contact which could be a photo or letter once a year, and us in turn can send him stuff like a birthday card and xmas card, we still have his bank account which i will encourage his father to keep adding money too , but deep in my heart i hope and pray that the solicitor can find a case for daughter to fight and she will get finacial help, as other wise it will be way expensive ....... will keep you all informed bk in court on the 8th of august