My apologies if I misunderstood, but this is not spirituality that is being discussed IMO but philosophy. SO maybe we should ask DocJohn for a forum for it?

I was under the impression that the Spirituality Forum would be a place to come and NOT find discord such as this. Not find any debate about what I or anyone else believed, but acceptance that I need prayer or you want to share an uplifting story etc.

I, personally, am NOT doing well with this.