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Old Dec 05, 2006, 11:39 PM
Amerikasend Amerikasend is offline
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Location: Merryland
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I'm not trying to offend you or anything, but if you do get offended, than I'm sorry.

I still don't understand what a spiritual disease is or maybe I'm just confused. Are you meaning spiritual as in your spirit or soul? Is spiritual disease in the Big Book, I completely forget if it was. I don't own a copy of the Big Book anymore.

Do you believe alcoholism is a disease or a spiritual disease or both? I personally don't believe alcoholism is a disease. When I used to attend AA, I recall the people telling me I had a disease and the BB states that as well. My belief is alcoholism is a bad behavior. So, you probably can guess I don't agree with someone being "powerless over alcohol"

My belief telling some they're powerless or they have a disease is not responsible. Because some may take that as if it were true. They will go out and drink as if they were powerless over alcohol and also believe that they have no choice in the matter, because they were led to believe they also had a disease. I have met plenty of people in AA/NA that did just that. There's a South Park episode on that subject. If you're currently in AA, it may offend you.

In a post above you wrote "You are one of the fortunate few, you walked away. And you made it stick. Good for you, but you are among the minority" That is not true. There is an equal amount of alcoholics that stop on their own compared with AA/NA.

I believe its is the alcoholics choice each day on what they choose to put into their bodies. If they want to honestly want to quit, they will. Some AA members will say they tried to quit, but could not. That just seems to me that they didn't really want to quit that much or else they would have. Nothing is forcing them to drink, except themselves They didn't have to drink, some will say they did have to drink, so, they could function better. They're still making that choice to drink and may seem, as if, they didn't want to stop or else the wouldn't keep repeating the same bad behavior over and over.

To your last part of what you posted. It's fine with me if you want to label yourself as an alcoholic. If you believe you're powerless, that's fine with me.

There are alternatives to AA. Such as:
www.rational.org
www.smartrecovery.org
www.unhooked.com
www.secularsobriety.org
www.moderation.org

Those are just a few.