I meant a definition for Spiritual Disease. I did not ask for your experience, strength and hope on how you believe you have a Spiritual Disease. All you gave me was mere anecdotal evidence. I thought I was asking a real question to. You decided not to answer it, that's fine, you could of said you have no idea what a Spiritual Disease is.

I do like to consider myself open minded, but you simply did not answer my question. You based the whole definition on what decisions you made.

I have tried to understand why people in these 12-Step groups honestly believe they're powerless and have a disease from a bad behavior.

The only one of those alternatives that request money for their program is Rational Recovery. But, you can get their book at most libraries and it only costs around 20-30 dollars for their book, I think. It should even out or may be a better deal in the end. Considering to go to AA, you have to drive there each night you go. Meaning you have to put gas into your car to drive it. AA/NA also suggests you donate a dollar, they also highly suggest you buy the Big Book and the 12 and 12. Sooner or later that will pile up.

Yes, the founder of Moderation Management got into a jam with alcohol. She also left her group for AA. It's disputed if she got her dui while attending AA or not.