Sorry i meant to carry on but lost my thread. yea so just wondering how your back got so painful? because i suffer quite alot with my lower back for about 2 yrs now and i cannot even remember how it happened, my gp gave me a leaflet on back exersises to do which helps a little , along with ibrupofen and 10mg ammitrypoline (a muscle relaxant and a old anti depressent they used to prescribe in the 90's) good posture , correct way of lifting ect, hope some of this advice is good, sorry that's all iknow, but my symphaties are with you , i know how you feel