deneb, i simply agree with mellors that a male forum is appropriate and i also believe, a very good idea for the website. i felt supportive of mellor's idea when he proposed it and i still do. he's been here a long time and fairly "alone".......

i certainly did not mean to make you feel put down.

no one person can help you feel better, db, and i'm sorry if you felt that i wanted you to feel bad. i've known you for a very long time now and i hope you feel better soon. pat