Also faerie-moon. I was very proud she changed her screen name!

I think that there was a flood of new members and they are coming from the medical model. Group of us all discovered how accountability for actions worked and how to apply new skills through trial.and error. New people haven't been exposed as much.

However, its only possible to learn as long as you aren't defensive and are willing to experience trials. If you don't want to learn its pointless.