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Originally Posted by Mattmx
Hello, that sure is a long line of text! After reading through, I can definitely see that your friend does have some sociopathic tendencies as well as some narcissistic ones. The thing that strikes me as odd though is that he does seem to care about people as well. Do you think you can go more into depth about his feelings for people he cares about, and why you feel he does? Someone with antisocial personality disorder will have no regard for others feelings, no matter who they are, along with narcissism. I think you might do good reading the difference between the two. I believe I suffer from Antisocial personality disorder (sociopath) and I can tell you that there is a big difference in the mentality between a sociopath and a narcissist.
Here is a link I found helpful when I was doing research:
Please excuse her harsh view on sociopaths and narcissists though, we aren't all out to hurt people only like she makes it seem. I'd love to hear back from you.
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Haha my apologies for the massive text, thanks for the reply I basically have looked at the qualities and in considering I basically kind of did a checklist to see what he fitted and kind of to illustrate would put in the things I can remember that fit the things a sociopath would be like as best I could. I could try, in regards to those he feels about (I'm planning to go to uni to study sociology in a few years so I kind of profiled him both for because he's a friend and to kind of use it for further sociology or psychology studies), he doesn't often go into it much but he still is to this day very protective of certain people, there are a lot of people and I mean a lot (I might be included I don't know) that if they died like from something right in front of him or if someone went up to them and got shot and he was watching he would barely flinch he might flinch and then spend a few hours being a little I suppose shocked but then he would continue on with his day I imagine it'd be almost like "well I don't know them why should it effect my further productivity they're dead who cares?" and I've asked him that before if someone he didn't know died in front of him like most people would take a day or two off at work if they saw someone at work die from the shock and I asked him how long and he replied 'an hour give or take if I didn't know them maybe less, if it's natural causes under half an hour', he's just basically from what I can tell two people he's a man of extremes either he will care very strongly about you or not at all. Almost like a barrier where if you can finally get him to trust you (from what I can tell he suffers from well despotic personality, very authoritarian at times and paranoid at times too I've told him once before in my frustration at him "not everyone is out to get you for f sake"). There are very few people I can tell that he would be shattered at, I can remember a close relative of his I think his aunty maybe died that day and I vaguely knew her I'd met her once or twice as she lived only a few minutes away and met her, she was old though, and she died a few years back about 5 or 6 back at school and he arrived that day at school and I was surprised he even came to school (I only remember because I was so shocked at how almost unconcerned he was), he didn't show any emotion towards it when I asked something along the likes of why he was at school he basically to paraphrase said life goes on (I have a good memory of things he's done and things in general ha, not eidetic but good for significant events). I try not to type too much of his childhood because if he found out I was typing this or posting about him he'd connect the dots (very intelligent), well lets just say he doesn't get angry quickly but when he gets angry my goodness he gets angry (kind of like if you avoid tax for 50 years then it all hits at once ha), the few times I've seen him get angry was when someone insulted his mum and it was basically he got them in a headlock at high school and choked them to the point they passed out and then let go right before they did and then when they were pushing him for doing it he looked sad that he'd done something wrong then as I walked off to calm him down he said 'I'm fine I don't really care just didn't want to get the teachers called over or him to go to the sick bay then I'd be in deep crap'. It's basically only close relatives or friends he can care about, he has abandonment issues that I won't go into from what he has told me of his childhood, very traumatic childhood from certain issues (lets just say not physical but family wise certain events), that I think have scarred him badly. To outline it he basically feels very protective of his mother (if you make a your mum joke he will laugh with you but he will be I think angry inside, because he will brush it off then when no ones around throw something, he's done that with my stuff before and I remember going off at him for it, he was really mad because someone kept making jokes about his mum and he basically when it was just me and him he flipped out launched my stuff, his and others pretty much all over the room in pure rage). Once he gets enraged and it's usually about his mother or parents or his upbringing, make a joke about that and he can turn if not violent he will not forget, I have forget a lot of school things, but he reminded me when I was talking about bullying of something a kid said in passing about his mother and this would have been in grade 6 or 7 I reckon so we are talking close to a decade ago in passing he remembers it. In response to some of that that's kind of why I thought maybe sociopath, because from what I've read it's more possible for them to have feelings for close friends or family kind of like a conscience with deep holes in it, but then again the lines are totally blurred in my opinion on it. He's too I don't know he is no doubt narcissistic (he tries to seem like the nice kid who is humble but when he shows his true self he I think takes pride in being the smartest person in the room and enjoys manipulating people to prove it, enjoys proving he's the smartest) but I think most people with sociopathy have narcissism, kind of all sociopaths are narcissists not all narcissists are sociopaths. I kind of thought he may have been a narcissist at first but then the manipulation, the lying, the basically the lack of emotion for most people (even what a normal person would care about people they haven't met he doesn't generally), so whether he's a full grown APD or sociopath or just tendencies to be honest I think it's not great either way. When he is driven though, he's so driven it's not funny I.E intending to open his own company (which he's currently doing), I'd hate to have him as an employee because he'd be after your job within 5 minutes or try and manipulate or frame you to get you fired, ambitious as I've ever met and as ruthless as I've ever met when needed, kind of the typical sociopath business/corporate person haha in a way.
I consider it a harsh article to a degree, but I can see where she's coming from in a way, he's kind of if he wasn't so manipulative I'd think he was a narcissist, but he doesn't care about people pandering his ego, he almost doesn't need them to in a way from what I have observed on it, he surrounds himself with very few people who agree with him, I disagree with him on most things (ironic sociopathic tendencies but extremely left wing and humanitarian on a lot of societal issues haha), he doesn't like people to think the same based on arguments I have he approaches any difference of view though like a lawyer considers all your points and punishes them into the ground, like he almost wants to make you have to say you are right enjoys the challenge to destroy your argument but he also doesn't really care it's just as long as he's not wrong not that he feels like he needs approval I think he enjoys just destroying someone elses viewpoint). I think he's kind of what I describe a "semi-sociopath" kind of the tendencies without the entire diagnosis, he actually has flaunted it because he knows I plan to study sociology I mentioned it to him a few times, he basically flaunts back and goes "well even if I am it doesn't matter...you'll never diagnose me as one, do a test I'm sure I'll pass your legitimate test as more an empath than sociopath", or the NDSM criteria he flaunts back as if to say "nah one short of an official diagnosis, bad luck" almost as if he's proud of being a sociopath but not so much that it's detrimental to be diagnosed "Why would I want a diagnosis? I see no benefit to a diagnosis, especially if someone else gets ahold of it". It's a pity I was hoping he'd go to counseling for an official diagnosis, but I doubt he'd ever show his real self to them, too much of a chess player for that to allow himself to in my opinion if something doesn't pose a benefit to him (he helps people and will go out of his way but the more I think about it I think it's more helping rather than the people more the shield of being a great person than actually being one).
Thanks