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Originally Posted by VenusHalley
By pride I meant that some people will do what they can to make it on their own.
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You have no idea what any person here has done to attempt to make it on their own, and continue to make judgement based on little to no information.
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I am glad you all live in awesome places where nobody ever abuses government aid, but from my experience... it could be cause I live behind the former iron curtain was... where's it's corrupted and corruptable.
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I didn't see where someone said this, but yeah that would be pretty ludicrous to think NO ONE can EVER take advantage of any system. But to think, and perpetuate the idea that there is just rampant abuse of a benefits system [which is often the thought and the implication when people say they take issue with such a system, specifically the disability benefits system that I was referring to] isn't accurate.
The numbers for abuse of government benefits vary from program to program in the US simply because the programs are more or less vulnerable to that abuse. If you want to make generalities and then take offense to something no one actually wrote, it doesn't actually make much sense if you truly want to explore the topic.
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but I will not apologize for saying there's people everywhere who will milk any system that is prone to be milked.
*shrugs*
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Again, missed where someone said you should.
The insult was where you were suggesting a specific group of people lack pride, which I made clear.
If you don't see a problem with suggesting that people classified as ill lack pride because they are unable to support themselves, I recommend maybe you talk to more individuals who are debilitatingly ill and who don't just claim a label of "illness". Your remarks are almost dripping with disdain and it is a bit confusing, particularly seeing as you are an active member on this site and engage with many of the people who you are now professing to be so critical and judgmental of.
Is it not possible that mental illness can be as crippling as a physical illness?
Are you suggesting that everyone can overcome it if they just try hard enough, and anyone can survive on their own if they just "do what they can to support themselves"?
I'm not sure who is
actually perpetuating stigma at this point, VenusHalley, if your suggestion is that anyone with a mental illness can just make it work if they try hard enough.
Perhaps that is your individual experience.
It is not the experience of every person who has a mental illness.
If there is not dysfunction and impediment there is no actual
illness, so what are we all doing here?