<font color="blue">DrClay didn't realize how important it is to us to keep our own subject lines in a thread. Forgive him, he's new I saw that he changed it immediately, but since DocJohn continued it, and it wasn't a real hijack, imo, I continued it...and I apologize for that Down. I knew better.

I personally notice some poc shots in this thread, and I don't appreciate them. I won't call them to everyone's attention, but if it doesn't stop I will do so in PM...to admin.

It would defeat the purpose of this thread if ppl take personal offense at what is being discussed. Or assume that complaints against "mods" or any one person is the goal. Let's lay our emotions aside and continue to discuss this as adults. To work through any problem, facts have to be faced, and if it's the conduct of members/mods that is part of the issue that doesn't mean the focus is to denegrate them, imo.

If we are to hold to the guidelines, then all of us posting in this thread, including DocJohn needs a naughty mat.

Perhaps a once a month directed chat to discuss PC issues would help? That might help the communication. Not a whining session, but honest discussion? Sometimes just a complete explanation of what is going on and what decisions have been made can alleviate the friction. Without inclusion it could feel like a dictatorship or something similar (I'm sure downsolong can tell me the correct idea.)

While I understand the mantra is that the mods/admin all discuss each issue, and that's a nice concept, we all know it doesn't happen all the time. Mods and admin have to know this, because some of us who have no ear to the discussions "know" it... and it probably isn't possible given all the activity on the site. Mods need to be able to act with confidence on their own at times, we all understand this. However, mods are the only ones who can monitor each other when their disorders flare and those single actions need to be prevented.

On the other side of the fence, I wonder why inaction is sometimes the course of action.... and if there is always action (say for the repeat offending member) then membership also needs to know it, because the frustration, of wondering why some are dealt with swiftly and others are allowed to go on and on, can build and upset the whole site, as most of us know.

For example, I and another member took quite a bashing in the spirituality forum some weeks ago, and the irritation was not smoothed for what seemed like an eternity. Certainly much slower than the reactions from my posting trying to work things through. When these types of things occur the way they do, it really doesn't matter what the truth is, because the truth becomes what is seen as happening or not. And when the fear builds that the offending member is "getting away with" anything (because of delay or whatever) then the red flags and bells and whistles and all sorts of "Danger! Will Robinson!" warnings go off inside of the "victim." We all need to work at limiting that as best we can. I think when we see others come to the side/aid of the victim that is what is happening... support in the strongest tone?

IDK Downsolong, if this thread will result in finding that there was a point in trying to discuss these things here. It will be greatly disappointing to me if nothing comes of this energy I've expended here on this thread -or worse - that having been lured into the web I find myself eaten by the spider.