to reply to the people that pmed me over this post, i did what had to be done, all other options had been exahusted, i tryed the talking route and got noware, i tryed the subserviance route, i tryed begging, i tryed everything i could think of, and every time i got shot down big time, this time i took direct action, something i have tryed to stay away from for a long time, but you know what enough is enough you stand up and put up, i did that, do i care what the consequences are? at this point no, i got further today kicking the %#@&#! out of him than i have for the last 7 months "talking" to her and if / when i have to do it again i will not think twice about it, you may forget in this that it is my son i am talking about in this if you were in my shoes and the same thing was happening to you and your child what extremes whould you go to too seee him or her? so dont judge me, no really dont, just back off and think about what i had to do, do you think this looks good from my sons point of veiw? how the exwife is going to spin this to him? how i am going to have to explain to him that i had to kick the $*%@ out of his step dad just to talk to him? these are all questions i cant answer using violence, so really, dont go there