OK I'm just trying to clarify what it is you're looking for it looked like you were discounting elyn saks because she is on meds but most recovered people with sz are on meds at least in the first hand accounts I've read...John Nash really is an exception but there is also Johanna greenburg who recovered with only psychoanalysis and basic sleep meds...chloral hydrate that was used on every patient in the ward at that time. I mean the whole experiment on recovery without the meds was done before the meds existed and basically once people got a sz dx it was considered life long it's only recently that anyone was thought to recover once they got that dx. As far as the follow up studies there are only a handful like ten at most at least in English and most of those were done at a single end point and they would ask for example have you had any symptoms in the last year or whatever length of time they chose for each study. The only one I know that actually follows the same people over multiple time points is the harrow study but they never show data on individuals over the 20 year course it's all pooled. So I guess what I'm saying is I think the actual rate of full life long recovery is pretty small much smaller than the 25% we are told. What I meant about the Nash thing is you're talking one in a million with people like that where they just spontaneously get better I'm just not sure you'll ever find an equivalent person on PC...I mean there are really only 10 or 20 people who actively talk on the s and p forum at any given time.
Also more prognostic indicators...
More mood symptoms are better(ie closer to bipolar is best sza middle, sz worst outcome)
Short duration of untreated psychosis but this is really new and I'm not convinced its a different factor than acute onset.
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