Yes, your right except the "misrepresentation" came from my not completely reading Gabor Maté who argues our society as a whole has a traumatizing effect. From Wikipedia:

"He has also spoken about how the rise in bullying, ADHD and other mental disorders in American children are the result of current societal conditions e.g. a disconnected society and "the loss of nurturing, non-stressed parenting."[10] That is, we live in a society where for the first time in history, children are spending most of their time away from nurturing adults. He asserts that nurturing adults are necessary for healthy brain development.[10]"

I do not buy his argument complete because when faced with vast changes in environment humans adapt although it isn't overnight. It is possible our best survival skill. I do think the neurobiological connection he has been researching is important to understanding all MI, however. For that I wouldn't dismiss his research as "insulting" at all. It just says we are holistic beings. What seems more important to me to me is being able to differentiate developmental differences between trauma affected people and MI without major childhood trauma.

Trauma and PTSD seems like the best place to look at these kind of connections because actual event(s) can be identified. There are so many other related correlations that have been made that I couldn't even begin to go into them. This link that I posted earlier talks specifically about neurobiological changes in relation to PTSD. It is really focusing on treatment but there are som paragraphs that discuss it.

http://beyondmeds.com/2013/12/17/the...ma-changes-us/

Back to language and the topic...

I find it fascinating that much of our language can be broken down and really plays a role in our culture. I think it is often subconscious. A non MI related example is "accountability" vs "responsibility" in corp and politics. I heard this in podcast talk years ago and have tried to find it a couple times unsuccessfully. I think she was a linguist or historian or both. Anyway... "Responsibility" used to be used a lot when a mistake was made but it has now shifted to "accountability" at the same time public figures address mistakes. "Accountability" or "account" is used in mathematics to do things like balance books and is less personal then "responsibility" which is part "response" and we think of as "taking care" for the result of the mistake. "Accountability" removes personal responsibility from the person(s) and places it on the non human corporation or government machine. This shift is not really working long term. It's starting to piss people off.

So people here (including me) have already broken down dis-"order" but not did-"ease" as much. When I do that I start to back off my original opinion because aren't most MI about a loss of "ease" or "comfort"? I throw that out there as food for thought because I don't know for sure.

I like Venus's thoughts about PTSD being PTS. Circling back... The neurobiological child development or adult changes seems more like adaptation which we have not quite learned how to work with. I don't necessarily see this as "wrong". When somebody "relives" a trauma and I have been around someone working through this, it eventually seems to have a healing effect. "Eventually" being the key word because the healing nature of the "event" is not immediately clear . I qualify this by saying I have only witness this in one person and recall reading about this (or the failure of) in books. Sophie's choice comes to mind as failure but Sybil comes across as success (if you read her version which I haven't.)

The causal connection shown in the study between MI and trauma... It suggests that dealing with the trauma as both a neurobiological cause and root cause is key in understanding the MI which is also a result. To your point autism does seem like something that is probably naturally occurring and a result of trauma or events. That would make the whole "bucket" problematic.

Long posts is something I hate and can't seem to avoid. Because it is text? Something OE and I seem to have in common. except she can't seem to avoid connecting personal significance and I can't seem to avoid connecting cultural significance. :enlightenment:

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