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Originally Posted by Middlemarcher
I think these discussions get complicated and people miss the point because so often, conversations about BDSM are aimed at dispelling myths: BDSM is not about abuse or non-consent, most people who participate in BDSM are not survivors of abuse, etc...
But some of us are, and that's a complicated thing to navigate. Snarky daddy, I think I understand somewhat where you're coming from. I'm a switch, but I have a particularly pronounced masochistic streak. I have worried whether my penchant for pain is tied to childhood trauma and self-image issues, whether I'm reinforcing trauma and negative patterns, whether I'm using it as a substitute for self-harming, etc. I've talked about this with my therapist a lot, and for me, what I came to was that as long as I wasn't coming out of a play session feeling badly (emotionally upset, guilt/shame, feeling bad about myself, having been triggered), I was okay with it. My solution was to identify the things (words, actions, situations) that stirred me up negatively, and make sure my partner knew to avoid those things.
It takes work to navigate that thin line, of course. I once saw someone out on the internet say something to the effect of "the subconscious doesn't understand consent vs non-consent." That definitely resonates with me. Consent or no, safe sane whatever, I can still get very stirred up on a subconscious level (physical anxiety symptoms, nightmares, bad sleep, etc).
But I understand being wired for this stuff. I'm not sure whether I just was born that way, or whether early childhood trauma might have contributed. I don't have a lot of explicit memories from when I was young. But the very first fantasies I can remember were of a sadomasochistic nature. I can have vanilla sex, and it's reasonably good. But BDSM gets me going a lot more.
I don't know if any of that addresses your post or whether it resonates with you at all. I know this is bound up with attachment issues with you, and I suspect that your attachment issues may be the opposite of my own (in a romantic relationship, I fall very extremely into the anxious/preoccupied category; some of BDSM for me is about that desire to completely merge with my lover). But I am sorry that you were triggered by what you saw, and sorry for what you've suffered, and I hope that you can have some productive conversations with your therapist. Hugs also to leomama.
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Middlemarcher, thank you for your thoughtful reply. This topic is subconsciously very dense and has take a while to process through. So I really appreciate you taking the time to respond.
I have wrestled with whether I had a leaning towards being a masochistic / sadomasochistic and I needed to be very careful here because of the abuse issue for the reasons you mentioned about reinforcement. It was important to me I was very clear minded on this issue as I could see it would really mess me up and her my sex partner if my conclusion were wrong. In the end I concluded it was not me. And I need to stay away from it.
In the beinging with my relationship with leomama we processed through a D/lg relationship (our own version of it). We realized that her issues were that of an adult child and it was unhealthy for us to continue with what we were doing as we were in a 24/7 version which for us meant we never role played as I was in fact functioning as her real father (right complicated). As we are life partners we have a lot of room and flexibility to figure things out and come up with the correct relationship model. Which we now have.
I am sexually dominant and she is sexually submissive in the
bed room. Both of us have a need for bondage for different reason and it is too involved for this reply. I will add she was the first person I ever had sober sex with and it was rough going physiologically for me while engaging in Vanilla sex at first. For example I could not function at all in missionary position.
"ome of BDSM for me is about that desire to completely merge with my lover). "
I can relate to this very much as BDSM helps me stay focused and with leomama helps her stay contained which does help us to merge which is very important to us. BSDM is very emotionally satisfying and pleasurable. A positive reinforcement of a healthy relationship.