I think that most of the part that happens before you see a professional is lumped into the prodrome because it's a little different so you're beginning to have psychosis but its not necessarily the full thing and the only thing I know designed to measure the conversion are these sips ans sops surveys. The seeing things part is less common but there are between 5% and 25% of people that have different degrees of auditory hallucination and don't necessarily have a diagnosed mental illness. I actually saw this one guy on I think it was the agenda---a Canadian program on this week long series on mental illness and there was a full panel of pdocs and he outright said you know I hear voices but I do fine I'm just wondering what you guys might think of that if it's you know the "S" word or not and they were like nope nothing wrong with you across the board. So if someone hearing voices can get no diagnosis from a shrink I think it argues that what we consider psychosis is more than just the hallucinations...