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Old Apr 06, 2014, 01:33 PM
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I don't think so. Some people are evil.

Few years ago I had argument with somebody here about Gaddafi (you know that freak of Libya who dressed in curtains and hoarded chemical weapons and killed a lot of people) being bipolar. I thought and still think that you cannot blame some things on mental illness.

I do think there is truly evil people though.

And as for meds causing agression... sometimes they do. And that is not being anti-med, that is... what it is. I don't think you can blame the meds for mass shootings, I think people normally have much more restraint then that.... but... meds can put one into psychosis. They can cause anger issues. But if person is experiencing this, they need to deal with it some way.

There is not excuse for murder. And I am not sure if trying to be understanding of it can help any way.
But what does it mean to be evil? Define it? Does it mean they are possessed by some demon? Is Satan real and influences peoples behaviour?
Are some people born evil? How do you define that little baby looking back as being evil? Hitler was a little baby at one time was he evil then? Did the devil send him into this world?

To me someone who is evil obviously has something wrong with them but what is it? I think there are a lot of brain disorders, mind disorders, mental illness that we don't even have a name for. There is so much we don't understand. Maybe there is no help for a murderer or for someone who is evil. But that is often the case for us with mental illness as well.

What is sad to me is how little effective help there is for those of us with mental illness. I have tried every path for my depression. All the meds, all the therapies, AA, Alanon, The steps, prayer meditation, supplements, alternatives, and yet my depression keeps getting worse. Maybe my best bet is to just accept myself as I am and embrace the depression which essentially what I have done. But that doesn't mean I don't hold out hope for the future or for my daughter.

I know meds can cause psychosis and have lots of adverse effects. I have read the articles on antipsychotics and the debate over whether they cause brain damage and cause more harm then good. I am totally against compulsary treatment. That some doc can go into a court and the court can mandate this med regimen and treatment plan. It should totally be a free decision between a patient and a doctor knowing the risks.

i will say again it is sad to me that for many of us there is so little effective treatment. So someone who is schizophrenic chooses not to go on meds, great. But I do not think going to psychoanalysis is going to really help either. If it is a biological disease just like I believe my depression is what are we to do?

We need a lot more research and a lot more trial and error and a lot more investment and yes more understanding. Maybe there is no understanding or compassion for someone who commits murder or no way to help them maybe they are evil. But I believe someday hopefully we will be able to help them. I certainly think that a kid who grows up in an abusive home and gets into drugs and alcohol and joins a gang and such can be helped before he ends up being a murderer. We do have enough understanding in that case. Once in prison where they have essentially lost all human rights as it is then they should be forced into treatment that can help them and maybe save their lives. As it is they are basically forced to join a prison gang. Every thing they do in prison is forced. Most of them start out with drug and alcohol and mental health issues and get caught up in the system. That is just a fact. The just plain "evil" ones are the minority.
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