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Psyche Meds I can't argue because I really don't know. AP's and AAP's seem to be the worse but I don't know the evidence.
I am not saying they don't, but I am waiting for evidence that psyche meds cause disease.
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C'mon! Your really trying to pass meds off as harmless?
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I never said a word about them being harmless. I don't know how you can say I am trying to pass them off as harmless. I asked for evidence to back up the claims. I said I didn't know. You guys are claiming psyche meds cause disease and I am asking for evidence or studies. Quite honestly I have never really studied it because I have never looked at them as harmful to me in my case. I don't believe for one minute that psyche meds for
me have caused weight gain. Middle age, genetics from my dad, less exercise as I have gotten older, totally sedentary and atrophying 15 of the last 20 due to depression. I have had one major side effect from SSRI's and SSNRI's that I consider very detrimental. I fully realize that that doesn't mean a thing. I am one person.
I honestly do not know what iotrogenic illness is. This is why I am asking for evidence. I will read it with an open mind.
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You're telling me benzodiazepines are harmless taken daily for years?
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I never said any such thing. I am aware of the risks of long term use. Addiction and withdrawal. Other than those of I ignorant of it. Can you call the effects disease I do not know. "SSRI's? SSNRI's? Benzo's? Are side effects considered disease?" This was asking the question and asking for evidence thus the question marks.
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How many people get dx with bipolar after taking SSRIs even though they never had symptoms before?
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I think we have had this argument before and I don't think the psychiatric community has resolved it. They did change the DSM 5 that addresses it. I have not seen studies on it or maybe I did post some I can't remember.
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You're telling me people that now have chronic depression despite never having it before weren't affected by the SSRIs they are taking for their grief?
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This one I don't believe. That SSRI's cause depression in those who never had it. That is my opinion and I am open to evidence.
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I'm not going to dig for your proof if you're going to start with meds don't cause disease.
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Again I never said that and I never started with that. I started with a claim made in a blog that all psyche drugs cause insulin resistance. A pretty bold claim with no evidence listed. You posted the article.
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Don't believe? Then don't. It's as much proof as you've given that despite years of taking meds genetics is the sole cause of your weight gain.
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Again I didn't say I didn't believe I asked for evidence. And again no I don't believe for a minute psyche meds have caused weight gain for me. I took them for 11 or 12 years and had very little fat. At age 43 on the same classes of meds I started gaining weight.
Withdrawal from AD's is a serious and real issue and I do understand the biochemistry to some degree. I have never claimed it wasn't. Whether it has long term adverse effects or just that receptors have to re adapt I don't know. Is it a disease?
Venus did say this-
"I do not think stress causes disease but psyche meds do"
In her above post she "somewhat" retracted the stress part.
I started a thread about Mental Illness, Stress, and Meds. It was my intent to discuss how mental illness causes stress which leads to other problems and meds if they successfully treat mental illness can reduce stress and reduce stress induced problems. Mainly for people to post how their mental illness has effected their life. Look at all my opening questions. It had nothing to do with psyche meds causing disease.
If you guys want to argue how psyche meds cause disease i am happy to discuss the issue. And I don't really care if it is off topic. It was your post Michanne that opened the topic by saying "so do psychotropic drugs" and posted an article. Is it unreasonable to ask for evidence and studies to back up your arguments?