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Old May 11, 2014, 11:33 AM
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So I explained my views on power and powerlessness. And I read the rest of your post.

A year and a half is a long time. That is quite an accomplishment. I am not suggesting this is the case at all because I do not know but I will point out that relationships can be addictive as well. Substance addictions can be switched to behavioral addictions. It happens in AA all the time. People stay clean and sober but they become workaholics, addicted to gambling, sex addiction, love addiction, and all kinds of things. It is really hard for addicts to give up all addictions or to not cross addict. It depends on how much they effect your life and how hard you are working on getting rid of them and on personal growth and so on. Are you moving in the right direction or the wrong direction. I am still addicted to cigarettes. I used to be addicted to gaming for about five years in recovery. I can get borderline addicted to this damn computer. Golf, Photography etc. I think I have done very well and worked very hard as far as addictions go but I do have to watch the behavioral ones. My main issue is depression. There are many in AA that have been clean and sober a long time but are actually much sicker than before they came it. So we also have to consider behavioral addictions.


It is not my business at all to call you an alcoholic. But do you think all those items might qualify you?

You say you started drinking again but it is moderate or controlled. Are there any other substances you may be addicted to or are abusing at the current time?


I would agree. I would say alcohol and drug abuse are symptoms of addiction. You say it is an inability to make proper choices for oneself. That sure seems to be true, but why do they have that inability? What is the underlying problem as to why they have an inability to make proper choices? An inability implies powerlessness. I don't think it is as simple as choosing to walk away. It is much more complicated than that. Maybe some can do it. Like I said my dad did it and I know he was an alcoholic. I don't understand it. In my experience he is the exception and not the rule. If you can do it more power to you. Today I am actually glad I couldn't do it on my own.

I know I asked some personal questions and I do not mean to offend at all. Really I don't. You are free to ask me any personal questions you like and I will be honest with you. Honest open dialogue is a healthy thing as long as we are not throwing stones at each other. I enjoy our discussion and it benefits me.
i apologize for the delay, as i would like to think deeply before i respond..so forgive me if i have kept you for some time..so let me continue to elaborate if you will..

let me address the first question as far as behavioral addictions....i suffer from BPD and it's quite severe, i won't say it is a behavior addiction but instead a personality disorder, the trauma and experiences in my life have manifested itself in this affliction..some factors i could control others i could not, nonetheless here i am.

i don't suppose i could honestly say that i was/are/am addicted to anything at this point or even then, though i engaged in some reckless behavior( i don't deny that..i accept full responsibility for my actions and their outcomes)

i believe many of my actions were indeed "acting out" if you will.. during times of stress, unhappiness and instability in my life at the time.

i will say that the master key system by charles hanaal helped me immensely
and showed me a great many things about the world we live in and how we create our own realities. metaphysics is one of my favorite subjects and i am an avid student indeed.

as far as the incidents i was involved in, it depends on the opinion of the person you ask. i don't drink too often anymore..here and there moderate would be the best answer, i had 2 drinks last night and that was all. the previous day i drank nothing. before i quit, i drank "balls out" quite a bit.
i no longer have a desire to drink like that. i don't use anything else other than cigarettes and i'm strongly considering quitting again this week..my plan is to let this pack i'm on now be my last.

so lets get to the inability to make proper choices...this is a matter of self control at its core, this is why i believe the master key system is so powerful..it teaches a lot about self control..self mastery. this i believe is at the heart..the core of all of our problems & it is very difficult. a wise man once said "it is easier to control a kingdom than it is to control one's self"
that is a powerful statement and a very true statement. at the moment i have a measure of self control..but not where i used to be..i can get their again..this is why i know i can quit.

so the inability to make proper choices is a two part answer and to get to the core we must be totally honest with ourselves.

1) part of the inability is a lack of knowledge(tools) this is primarily a environmental factor..how you grew up,the people you hang around,what you have learned and internalized as a child and carried over into adulthood.
in laymans' terms in this instance we don't know any better.

2) the second part is a lack of desire.." i like getting high", "i don't want to give that up'", "i like the way it makes me feel" , "this helps me cope", " i love drinking" etc. all of us have an inherent since of what is beneficial to us and what isn't, what we don't already "understand' we can deduce from the phenomena of cause and effect..well i did x and y happened..i didn't like y..so if i don't want y to reoccur i need to stop doing x.

so now the question that begs to be asked is ..well if y keeps happening the why do some people continue to do x? correct?

some do, some don't the consequences are perceived to not be great enough to inhibit this type of behavior, that is the short answer.

so when i say choose to walk away that is the short,simplistic ,logical answer.
if you put your hand on a hot stove, it hurts you don't do it again...it is the same principle with different circumstances.

self control is not something that is taught in any great detail anywhere on this planet, yet it is one of the most key elements to a satisfying life..in school they teach us calculus and trigonometry which of course is something i use every day
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