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Originally Posted by eskielover
winning & loosing a game has nothing to do with lying or telling the truth.
As far as good & bad goes....they you are assuming that the person who steals or tells the lie has absolutely NO conscience that will end away at them & hurt them worse in the end than if they hadn't lied or stolen in the first place.
For me.....I would be honest about my situation if I was desperate in need of money, food or whatever......I have always found that when I ask, God provides through wonderful caring people (who sometimes I haven't even known before then).
This is definitely true.....but the experience I had was that I didn't have time to verify the information & many times I had no idea where the paperwork had even been filed which held the verifiable truth.....one example had to do with back when cell phones were just starting to have free minutes after 9pm at night. My H & I got our phones at some point when I was dealing with some really stressful things....& he was basically the one that listened & did all the agreement to the contract......then a few years later (after the contract was actually up but we were still under that payment plan......my mother was dying of cancer & I was continually on the phone with her every day......I asked him if that 9pm applied to our phone agreement....& he assured me that YES it did.......that was his opinion because when I got the $600 phone bill, facts definitely told me that his opinion had nothing to do with the fact or the truth......there were many other situations just like this & I needed to be able to trust my H to provide me ths truthful information so that I could act accordingly.
I finally left him because it was becoming a continuous situation that had existed throughout the 33 years.......& I knew that the only way that I would STOP feeling the need to trust him was to leave & have everything under my own control & not depend on him for anything because at that point I never knew what I could believe or not.....so it was best to just NOT & get out of there & take care of myself so I knew what the REAL truth was or at least I would know where I filed the paperwork to go look if I wasn't sure.
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to that i will respond with this...to some people it is indeed quite similar, take someone with ASPD or NPD it is indeed a game..if you have never run across this i assure you your opinion will be quickly modified after your experience.
i offer merely food for thought, i can also assure you there are many that walk the earth that absolutely have little or no conscience whatsoever.
murderers,rapist,child molesters and the like...everyone's moral compass is different..some people have remorse..other do not.
some people steal and are perfectly ok with it..i only offer a view of both sides of the coin..perhaps an attempt to look at all points of view..a devil's advocate if you will.
i use the sport analogy as an example for the process of simplification.
i still maintain that "good' and "evil" are subjective terms determined by the perception of the person involved and their individual take on the situation.
if a con artist were to con me out of some money..i assure you he would not consider this to be a "bad" thing..now of course i would not be happy..do you honestly think the con artist would care about my happiness? now of course i would very much consider this to be "bad" but for him..it is "good" do you see my point?
i will use you cell phone situation as an example, all the while while you were being deceived about the minutes..according to your h's point of view the "lie" was "good" it suited his purpose...now i'm not speaking from a moral stand point i'm speaking from an individual perspective. now of course for you it was "bad" and ultimately ended your relationship..but he was able to keep this going for 33 yrs am i correct? the deception, i mean.
so again i go to the beginning of my post..in a perfect world everyone would tell the truth, all jobs would be wonderful, nothing would ever go bad, relationships would last forever & no one would lie,steal,cheat or kill.
unfortunately that utopia does not exist and never will, so we are left with the reality of this thing we call life.
so i simply mean to spark the imagination, to look at both sides of the coin, to examine why us humans do some of the things we do, conscience? lack there of? empathy? lack there of? why do some people kill and steal and others would not dream of such behavior? why do some people beat their wives and children? why do some men/women cheat on their spouse? why are others completely faithful yet become victims. how is it that one persons' "good" is another person "bad"..for one person what is a lie which is good for them is bad for someone else.. just food for thought that's all
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