No I don't think they are trying to take credit or steal eastern philosophy. There are enough people in the field now that see the value in it and are willing to apply it and study it. That is a change. I don't think they have given up on drugs. It is a more holistic approach slowly being adopted. Many psyche meds are very effective despite the draw backs. Compare now to the days of only thorazine and state hospitals.

Oh how I miss our debates. We were shut down and the "Things That Matter" never did take off.

So I will no longer reply to this thread unless Matt specifically addresses one of my posts. (that is if it is possible for me)