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Originally Posted by eskielover
Instead we are ALL being made slaves to the government.....I don't want to be owned & controlled by the government thank you.....& the Wealthy white male land-owning slaveowners was IN THE SOUTH....not all over the country if you remember your history correctly. And those were NOT the people who set up the government of our country.
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That's extremely appropriative and disrespectful to the millions of African victims of chattel slavery in the United States over the centuries it existed here. You are in no way owned by the government - Federal, State, or Local, by any comparison, in the way those human beings were owned by their masters. It's an unbelievably ignorant and offensive analogy at best. Your fears manifested in the worst possible way are people in government wanting to set up a fairly liberal social democracy, like Bernie Sanders - not slavery, by any measure of the imagination (and in America, most "liberals" are more to the center anyway). Just stop while you're ahead with this obscene nonsense. And beyond that, it has nothing to do with what I said, it's a red herring.
I do remember my history correctly. Slavery extended through the north in the United States - it was limited to the south and some western territories come the time of the Civil War (1860), but during the time of the Revolutionary War was in no way limited to the south. Some of the
most northern states
still had it
after the Declaration of Independence:
Vermont abolished it in 1777
Pennsylvania in 1780
Massachusetts in 1781
New Hampshire in 1783
Connecticut in 1784
New York in 1799
New Jersey in 1804
and mind you, New York, for example, was phased over like two decades into the 1820s. Please don't lecture me on history. Please. I do remember my history correctly, I remember that the north abolished it
before the south
was forced to stop - not that the north
never had it.
And yes, those were the people who set up our country. Jefferson even raped and had children with Sally Hemmings - his slave. Here's a few of our "honorable" founding fathers (though certainly not the only) who
owned other human beings:
George Washington
Benjamin Franklin (even allowed the sale of slaves in his general store!)
James Madison
Patrick Henry
Thomas Jefferson (as mentioned)
George Mason (aka "The Father of the Bill of Rights")
...amongst many others
Granted, some individuals talked a good talk against slavery... while still owning slaves, and did nothing of meaningful substance that stopped it. The same people, such as Jefferson, often having fairly brutal Overseers watching over the slaves.
These same men who only wanted land owners to vote.
Only wanted white people to vote.
Only wanted men to vote.
My comment was accurate. Yours was racist and appropriative. My history is accurate. Yours isn't.
The founding fathers were tyrants in fancy clothes, America is just a country, just like South Africa or France, and that's okay - but this isn't some awesome better than everywhere wonderland. It's a place, like other places. It's better than a lot of places, some places are equal, some are better depending on perspective. And that's okay. Earth is a big planet, there's all kinds of places - America is one of them. We're just lucky those tyrants aren't in charge
now.
This goofy worship of these guys is just that - goofy. That's what they were - racist, classist, sexist slaveowners. A whole lot of counties were founded by corrupt, violent, evil people. That's how history can be. They wrote those words for their very small subset to be applied to, not minorities, not women.
If anything - please, don't appropriate slavery as if social policy you don't like is comparable to being put in a "hot box" for 20 days for trying to run away while your loved ones are mauled to death by dogs for trying to do the same. Or you're separated at an auction, because your husband looked like a "strappin' young buck!" to a different "mastah'" despite the horrid lash scars covering his back. Taxes and healthcare policies aren't quite the same. Like, at all.