That wasn't a slam btw...and anyone who knows me, knows it wasn't. It was...acknowledgement. I don't think people with NPD get enough credit for dealing with one of the most complicated and complex disorders ever, IMO.

Once one realizes what an N' has done (created) to cope at such a young age--for most, starting at about 5years old--....with abuse, or over compensation or extreme neglect (btw, that's the quiet damnation most don't speak of---the birthplace of the fragile narcissist and the one not as often seen as the malignant narcissist, yet no less hurt nor hurtful), they've still, for the most part, avoided psychosis (except in times of tremendous stress).

If a person can be objective and 'pay attention', one can, nevertheless, only get a glimpse of who someone with NPD is, and how survival has cost them so much more than, in the long run, they ever took from their........sources.

And the payment needs done every day....every hour...every moment. Even when they're alone.

If that isn't hell....I'm not sure I understand the definition.