I didnt mean to offend anyone if I did with my post about my experience. The point I meant to get across with that particular person was when confronted it was admitted to me he knew his pattern and agreed to use people knowing it was making things stressful and hard for us and never acted grateful or appreciative for what had been given to him.. then when he got what he could from us and realized he couldnt play his game anymore he left to play it on someone else who was clueless to how he functioned.. out of our group of friends I was victim number 3 to his manipulating ways. But my main point was I think every person as a human is capable of manipulation... I think its the person.. I think the illness for some of us when we get in our darker times can be more prone to get in a victim like state and not mean to be manipulative but can come across that way to others... I know I can be that way when im really depressed and anxious... not to be malicious as moxie pointed out but I think its the heart of a person that defines whether its malicious intent or not....