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Originally Posted by Crescent Moon
SometimesP, I feel so much compassion for the experiences you've had.. and for the experiences of all of those with MI. I just want to cry.
MI has always been a world of its own. It hasn't been that long ago that MI were held in institutions, lobotomized, and more. I think there have been great strides made in attempting to treat those with MI more effectively and with less restrictions. That said, there is a large population of the homeless that are homeless because they are mentally ill. For many, they are the ones choosing to be on the streets because their delusions/hallucinations/beliefs make them feel safer in some way on the streets. And as far as being forcibly medicated, I think that happens primarily when someone proves to have become a danger to themselves or others. I don't think that falls into a "police state" type situation. It has got to feel awful to have things like that controlled for someone who is an adult, especially if their delusions cause them to fear the government, doctors, or even innocent people on the street. But that's where the threat of danger to others comes in. There are not easy answers to dealing with those with serious MI. Especially if they don't have a good support system in place. I think a lot of effort is being made to make progress in effectively treating and caring for them. That's what a good society does. It doesn't eliminate the weakest members... it cares for them. But MI in itself can leave those being cared for not recognizing that they are being cared for, not threatened.
I just don't see gun ownership helping those with MI function better. And if those with MI have access to guns, then we see more Gabby Giffords, more Elliot Rodgers tragedies. Please know that I am fully aware that the vast majority of those with MI are not, and never become, violent.
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Last time I checked not one of those people had gun restrictions on them....thus I see the laws expanding to incorporate more people....most of the gun deaths are suicides so we're talking depression and that's like half of America...
Now I have gun restrictions.....why.....voluntary inpatient treatment. I was sick enough to know I needed help so I can't own a gun for 5 years. Now I don't have any reason to and short of war I don't see the point so I'm not worried about it they freak me out tbh. It's not that I want a gun, it's that my rights are restricted because I asked for help with my MI I mean wtf....how is that not a police state?
If we actually helped the homeless by giving them what they wanted instead of what we want for them I don't think we would have a homeless problem. Of course what we have now is people ending up in jail repeatedly for having simply stood in a business too long....loitering....peeing on the streets because there are no public toilets etc.
Most of the forcibly medicated go through the criminal system and they may or may not respond to meds, a third of people don't.....why medicate them if the meds don't work....to me that is a violation like no other....here let me control your mind, not in a way where you'll return to what you were but instead in a way where you'll simply be so sedated you don't want to move....I too would choose the streets....
Now let's partition off Hawaii and send the MI away on vacation someplace nice instead! people would be faking to get on the plane....carrot vs stick....we only use the stick....why on earth are we using a stick on people who are sick in the first place. They can't even recognize the stick....that's how so many end up shot at the hands of the police, the danger is unclear......but carrot, who doesn't like carrots? I like carrots
