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Originally Posted by eskielover
There are still some of us who still won't have sex outside of marriage & the only person I had sex with was my H.....& even now that I am divorced.....I still feel the same way.......If I ever find the right person to get married to ever again.......then that will be the person I have sex with.......amazing how the moral values have changed over the years.....guess that's what women's lib was all about......go out & be equal on the basis of sex with the guys.
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Eskie - you are misusing the word combination "moral values". The idea of having sex within marriage only is one of custom. It is neither bad nor good - it is morally neutral.
Morality has to do with issues of right or wrong. E.g. bullying is immoral, as is taking advantage of somebody's weakness for personal gain, or manipulating a person to extract profit, or date-rape-drugging a person, or not visiting frail relatives in their nursing homes, or concealing income to avoid taxes, or falsely advertising and taking advantage of a misled customer, and the list goes on and on. Some of those immoral acts are also crimes (unlawful acts), but not all.
In sex outside of marriage unless there is manipulation or some other unfair things that might happen, there is no victim and no perpetrator, or manipulator, or oppressor. So where do you find immorality in it?
It is one thing to say: "I choose to have sex only when I am married. PERIOD".
That is a fine thing to say.
But add "moral values" to that and it is a covert (well barely covert and almost overt) negative judgment on everybody who happens to not share your convictions.
In my opinion, passing negative judgment in such an unfair way (the many people reporting having had many partners on this thread really did nothing to provoke that kind of a judgmental retort coming from you, so it is UNFAIR to them), while not immoral per se (I mean, we are just chatting on a forum), but at least in theory can be analyzed from the standpoint of morality, because UNFAIRNESS is an issue that morality deals with.
the sexual partner count is not an issue that morality deals with.
There are several proper ways to express what you wanted to express without that negative judgment.
Mores - not morals, but mores
Customs
Conventions
traditions
societal norms
all would have been able to fit the bill.
Choosing words carefully to both convey your train of thought and state your position but yet avoid offending others is actually not that difficult.
Thanks.