They really are though; I hate AA, especially their members. I'm alright with NA, but to be honest I haven't been to a meeting in almost a month, and I'm cool with that =] like I said in this or other posts, my mental health is WAY more important right now that my substance abuse issues .. I'm on the methadone, don't want heroin, and I'll smoke pot when it's available (as in if I'm with a friend and they're smoking).