No, I did not misunderstand - it is my understanding which is different from your understanding. The biological relationship - as I think I mentioned - was the original source of the taboo as humanity has tried to survive by diversifying the genetic pool. These two people are not procreating, so there is no danger of a genetically crippled offspring. Hence, we look at the family dynamics next, since the biological reality does not present concerns. For me, these relationships are important and I did feel a barrier between me and the boys I grew up with, so I did not have sex with them - several decades later, they and I might regret that we were not more romantic with one another, but it is water under the bridge. If you personally feel that having sex with a boy who has been like a brother to you since childhood, it is your personal view - I do not object to it, nor find anything wrong with it, but I do not share it. That you somehow have this fascination with the vagina aspect is your personal fascination. I do not care about the biology so much, but I care about the social dynamics a whole lot.

The disturbing part - the most disturbing part - in this whole thread is its view count. I have not read all the pages - just the last one and the one next to the last. It is simply amazing to me. In the late 2000s, Americans were fd MAJORLY because they believed that the housing prices would never fall and were getting into interest-only loans. This was insane. This was morally disturbing - people should try to stay within their means and not gamble this way. This was morally disturbing also because the financial industry took advantage of people and the regulators did not come in until there was a full blown crash. I STILL get petitions from petitions sites because somebody is trying to stay in their home and asking the bank for forgiveness - I never sign those petitions because I did not force those people to buy their homes nor did the banks force them - their stupidity, believing in chimeras (that housing prices would go up up up forever), trying to keep up with the Jones, etc. that got them into their houses.

When all of this crash, a few people got prison sentences, some committed suicides, then some laws were passed, but there was no major public outcry. I mean - the whole American dream came crashing and there was no major public outcry; some people were caught having committed major crimes, but not much outcry, because... reading about white collar crime is not titillating. It just is not. This is extremely depressing - if the three letter word "sex" does not figure in the news, people simply do not pay attention. To me it means the society is hopelessly sexually preoccupied -- not particularly active, sexually, and not particularly happy - sexually as well - either, but definitely preoccupied.

So let me ask you a question - for you, is white collar crime on a billion dollar scale less disturbing/more disturbing than or equally disturbing as what the guy described in this thread is doing, having sex with the woman who did conceive, carry, and birth him but did not raise him? What would you say - MORE, LESS, or EQUALLY? For me, not just MORE, but FAR MORE, and I can give you the reasons why. For this comparison, do not forget that the dude discussed on this thread is honest with his gf, does not abuse his gf, does not hit her, does not threaten her, does not make false accusations of her, does not cut her out of her social circle, does not hold her at gunpoint, does not exert economic control of her, does not throw jealous fits, does not defame her, does not steal from her, does not torture her, does not physically damage her car or real property, and so on.

Obviously, you realize that the list above - of the things he does not do - has come straight from this site. Every single thing has been mentioned at least a few times, and some again and again, over and over. So this guy does not do those things. But somehow he is more disturbing than the gazillions of people who do. Why?

the reason I asked the second question is that the comparison in the first - between white collar crime and what can be termed biological incest is between two vastly different things. In the second question, I ask to compare between things that can happen in intimate relationships. Meaning - if you absolutely had to choose between two men - just had to, no other options and no option to stay alone offered - would you choose this dude or a man who steals from you and holds you at gunpoint?

Again, all the examples are from this site. Being held at gunpoint and being suffocated almost to death are some of the things that have been reported on here. I am not making anything up and not exaggerating.

Take your pick!