Maybe about 6 months, possibly 7 or even 8, but I got more seriously into it as time went on, so IDK when the "real" weight-loss and muscle-gain started. When I moved here (supported housing) I knuckled down a LOT and switched up my diet, started researching more on weight-loss, and really pushed myself hard, ... been here for about 4 months, I think. Probably woulda lost weight quicker if I wasn't trying to gain muscle at the same time, but that said, gaining muscle helps lose weight in the long run, which is partly why I did it. (plus I'm really into weights 'n' stuff)